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Old 07-13-2013, 06:08 AM   #1
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Murphy is alive and well. 4 days into a 3 week trip and the black water tank valve won't close all the way. Almost but not quite.

My first thought was toilet paper in the valve or a seal that turned. Not knowing exactly how the valve seals I'm kinda at a loss. I'm thinking of a spray nozzle [of course it's back at the house] that sprays sideways for cleaning a tank. Put it on the end of a hose and push it in until it stops on the slide. Open the slide and turn on the water and move the hose back and forth. If the seal is dy maybe add olive oil to grease it??

Any thought from the collective knowledge of the group?
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:21 AM   #2
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Seeing as how you forgot your magic wand at home,
Have you by any chance got a pressure nozzle that screws onto the end of a garden hose? If you do, try pushing the hose back up the drain pipe and see if that will flush anything out.
If you can't get it to seal, find an RV shop and buy yourself one of these.
http://www.amazon.com/Valterra-T58-Twist-On-Waste-Valve/dp/B000BGHYJS/ref=sr_1_3?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=137374 2958&sr=1-3&keywords=valterra+gate+valve
That will fix your problem till you get back home.


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Old 07-13-2013, 09:18 AM   #3
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The "add on valve" is a life saver in a case like this. We have 1 we use when we camp without sewer hook up because we can open the grey and the galley valves but leave the add on valve closed and we now have 60 gallons of grey water capacity so my teenager can take a shower and I don't have to break camp and go to the dump station. But back to your problem.. I always carry a metal coat hanger and this would maybe be a place to use it. If you can get up the black pipe to where the valve is you might be able to dislodge whatever is blocking it from closing. I would wrap the end of the coat hanger with duct tape (get 'er done) so it is not sharp and be gentle because there is a rubber seal there and you don't want to damage it. I honestly don't know what the seal looks like but you may be able to find a "exploded" version of the valve online and that might show you. I hate to type this but those valves look fairly easy to replace if you have the tools with you. The worst case scenario would be if it was stuck closed and full. Sounds like it is opening OK just not closing. I think Old Farmer is on the right track for a short term fix. You might put that valve on, close the temporary valve, open the regular valve and try filling the black tank then dump it several times. If there is something stuck in the valve body it may break loose at some point and then you are back to standard operating procedure. If not, you are still fully functional and can enjoy the trip until you get home and can replace the valve.
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X2 on both recomendations I have the valterra valve and it is a great supplement to our dump systems. It gives you back up if a valve cannot be closed.
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Cliff, what did you end up doing?

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Old 07-17-2013, 08:12 AM   #6
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I found a dealer with the Valterra valve to help get thru the next 2 weeks. I also contacted Crossroads about a little help since it's just out of warranty and they are going to work with me on fixing it after I get back to Texas. I also bought some stuff that dissolves toilet paper and will put some in the tank tomorrow when we make our next move. Hopefully by the time I get back it will be a non-issue.

I'll let you know how that works out with Crossroads.
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Glad to hear you located the valve. It is a sensible backup. We will all be looking forward to your report on Crossroads support. It is always good to see positive comments. I will keep my fingers crossed. Best of luck
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Also - - after reading this thread I just ordered a Valterra Twist On Waste Valve T58.





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Old 07-18-2013, 02:40 AM   #9
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I put the twist on valve on after taking a bath in gray/black water. No more!!!!!!!! I did go in and change the black tank valve and it was a real pain. Not because of having to pull the cover off the bottom but when CR glued the valves in there was no room to move things around enough to get the new valve in. But with a stop at Home Depot a couple rubber unions fixed that. But still I have the twist on all the time so when the cap comes off I know nothing is coming out.
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[I put the twist on valve on after taking a bath in gray/black water. No more!!!!!!!! I did go in and change the black tank valve and it was a real pain. Not because of having to pull the cover off the bottom but when CR glued the valves in there was no room to move things around enough to get the new valve in. But with a stop at Home Depot a couple rubber unions fixed that. But still I have the twist on all the time so when the cap comes off I know nothing is coming out.]



This is the reason I have the twist on valve on ours all the time. Our black tank valve leaks and I have been quoted $300 to $400 (labor) to have it replace because of the way Crossroads installed it. I have looked at it with the mobile RV techs I had look at it and there is just no room for error. The twist on valve was an easy fix for me and I intend to sell the unit that way.
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