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Old 02-12-2017, 11:01 AM   #1
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Film on the windows - cleaning suggestions please

I've got some sort of crud on the windows and can't seem to get it off. I've tried Windex, a couple of commercial window cleaners, and straight ammonia but can't seem to get it cleaned off.

I think this may be soap scum from washing the camper but can't be sure. I always try to make sure the windows are washed down and squeegeed before I move on to another part just to make sure nothing stays.

This is on most all the windows. I've taken pictures of curb side windows and tried to post them here.

Any suggestions on cleaners are welcome.

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Old 02-12-2017, 11:07 AM   #2
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Try a cleaner that is made specifically for the glass stove tops. It doesn't scratch and it works. Wife uses it on our stove.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Weiman-Gl...15-oz/15107756
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Old 02-12-2017, 07:47 PM   #3
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Are those windows thermopane/dual pane by any chance?
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Or you can get a 000 steel wool, that will take care of that
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Lloyd, the windows are thermopane. I was concerned that the seals had given out and moisture had infiltrated but that doesn't seem to be the case. I have this on all but a couple of windows and those I've scrubbed numerous times so this crud does seem to come off at some point.

I did do a test on a small window with heating it using a blow dryer to see if there was moisture that would evaporate. What's interesting is that with other glass units that fail, the symptoms are edge-to-edge or all along a side. On these. the crud is inset from the edge about an inch and is irregular in shape.

If these were single glass with storm windows, I'd just pull them all out and clean them.

I'm not sure how to get a picture of how the window actually looks. I'll try some more today and see if I can get a better picture. We're headed out to the store tomorrow so I'll pick up some of the glass stove cleaner then.
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What Frank posted on the 000 steel wool I have heard about, but it seemed like there was something else that was used with it. As kind of a lubricant maybe?

Here is the reason I asked if they were thermopane.

You Might Want to Forego Double-Paned Windows in Your Rig
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Here at the coast, keeping your windows clear is always a problem. I've used Stoner's Invisible Glass and had pretty good results.

It's available at almost anywhere -- auto parts store, Walmart, etc.
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What is the model ?

Those look like dual pane tinted windows, mine do it too.
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Lloyd, thanks for the article. Food for thought for sure. I certainly hope this isn't the problem but I won't be surprised.

Jeffur, did your windows start out like this or did it evolve?

I'm not sure where to go next. I'm trying a couple of different cleaners but I suspect that the camper will make a trip to a window place when I get home.
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Mine , (probably 2 out of 6) did that since I've owned it. Specifically my two large rear windows in my 2011 36' Crossroads Seville. They aforementioned article in the previous post rings true.
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I wonder if an extended warranty policy would cover something like that?
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If you need to replace the double pane windows check out this company. I have friends that are pleased with their work.
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Have successfully used 0000 steel wool and elbow grease to remove mineral deposits from windows. Wouldn't use anything more course. Polish with crumpled newspaper without colors. Apply rainx to keep from reoccuring. Let us know what works for you.

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Al, I just re-read this whole thread and noted that you confirmed that these windows are the thermopane (dual pane) windows. Short of disassembling these windows, there's not much you can do when the seals fail.

This may be covered by the warranty.
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Lloyd, thanks for the article. Food for thought for sure. I certainly hope this isn't the problem but I won't be surprised.

Jeffur, did your windows start out like this or did it evolve?

I'm not sure where to go next. I'm trying a couple of different cleaners but I suspect that the camper will make a trip to a window place when I get home.

Any results yet?
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I thought I'd post up my results so far. What I find interesting is that one window is coming clean with the use of glass cleaner and much scrubbing. Another shows signs of clearing but I need to get a power scrubber involved as my shoulders can't handle the load.

I've tried straight ammonia, ammonia and vinegar, and straight vinegar with no good results.

I've tried denatured alcohol using both a paper towel & a Mr Clean Magic Eraser. That didn't seem to make any difference.

I've used Invisible Glass on the windows. It seems to at least clean the glass. One window seems to be a little better but what I did on it was to spray it on and let it soak, then spray it again, and then clean it with paper towels and then a microfiber cloth. I'll try that again once the camper is home.

I used CRL Sparkle Glass Cleaner & Stain Remover. That took care of most of the water spotting. It's very much like the old BonAmi bars used to be available. It's sort of like SoftScrub but much finer particles so it doesn't scratch. That was some help.

I got some AMAZ Water Stain Remover that supposed to clear soap scum, hard water stains, etc. on shower doors and other surfaces. That stuff shouldn't be used on anything with paint. What I need with it is to dilute it to make it a bit more runny and then use a power pad with it.

What this looks like is a bit of residue left on the window from shipping based on the pattern. These windows are covered with a peel-off plastic that stops about an inch from the window border. What it looks like is that there is a bit of residue when removed. I think what may have happened was that either when I washed the roof or the camper, stuff got on the window and then baked into the residue. At least if the stuff comes off, that will maybe tell the tale. I've tried using a razor scraper carefully but that has it's own set of issues.

When I get it home in April, I'll try the polishing pad with the AMAZ cleaner, mineral spirits, lacquer thinner (carefully).

If none of those work, then I'll set an appointment with Suncoast Designers for when we come down next winter to have a look. I sent them an email requesting a quote on 3 windows & it came to about $900. Still better than new windows for sure.
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I wonder if an extended warranty policy would cover something like that?
I tried that and no luck. Also talked to Crossroads and they were very quick to point out that the Seville was out of warranty.
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Also talked to Crossroads and they were very quick to point out that the Seville was out of warranty.

They don't miss a lick, do they?
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I thought I'd post up the results from our visit this week to Suncoast Designers. Nice folks to deal with & we're pleased with our windows. They may be clearer than when we got the trailer.



They have an estimator but if you send them an email, you'll get a return email with the costs. We did 13 of 18 and it was about $3,600, expensive but definitely cheaper than replacement with new windows (the big windows were quoted at $2,000 each).


We're headed back in January for an adjustment to one of the sliding windows and will probably get the other 5 done at some point.



Suncoast is at https://suncoastdesigners.com/
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