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09-06-2015, 12:16 PM
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In your opinion or experience, do the front brake pads wear out faster than the rear brake pads when towing frequently??
What I noticed, when cleaning the truck rims, is that the rear rims have more brake pad dust on them than the front rims.
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09-06-2015, 12:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mark5w
In your opinion or experience, do the front brake pads wear out faster than the rear brake pads when towing frequently??
What I noticed, when cleaning the truck rims, is that the rear rims have more brake pad dust on them than the front rims.
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I don't know about towing----but I know they wear out faster in front on a everyday driver.
I haven't had to replace brakes on my last two tow vehicles.
Are you basing this question strictly on the amount of dust you seen, or have you pulled a wheel and inspected them?
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09-06-2015, 12:26 PM
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Wheels were pulled for state inspection and both front and rear are in need of replacement within 5000 miles. They said the front had a little more wear than the rear. But the amount of brake dust on the rear rims is what confuses me.
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09-06-2015, 12:30 PM
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Wow. That seems like awful fast wear. You don't have that many miles on your truck.
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09-06-2015, 12:36 PM
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Only 25,000, but I live on top of a mountain. No matter which way I travel, I'm going down a 1 1/2 mile hill. All my vehicles never make it past 30,000 miles.
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09-06-2015, 02:38 PM
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Have to agree with Lloyd, that is significant brake wear. If lots of those miles are towing it would say your brake controller and trailer brakes aren't doing their fair share of the work. My last tow vehicle had 100k miles and the original pads still had good pad thickness. I replace trailer brakes more frequently than tow vehicle brakes. Now that I have an exhaust brake and manual mode transmission, neither brakes will see much wear, like coming down Monarch Pass with near zero use of the service brakes.
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09-14-2015, 03:26 PM
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Since front brakes do approx 75% of the braking, you would expect the brake pads to be four times larger then the rears.
However, that's just not the case. In most cases, the fronts are about double the size of the rears, hence, the wear can be up to twice as fast.
I usually find my rear's seem to never wear out, yet the front's go quickly.
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09-15-2015, 07:05 AM
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I have found that recently I have had to use my grinder to grind some metal from the metal part of the brake pads to enable them to move in and out easily once installed...The metal part of the pad is not moving like it should when installed in the mount...When the brake is engaged the pad is pushed against the rotor, but because it is too tight in the mount it can not release the way it should therefor creating excessive ware...This is another reason I still do my own brakes, because not many mechanic shops are going to take the time to do this procedure....Also you could have a problem with your proportioning system...This system adjusts hydraulic pressure on your vehicle when additional weight is introduced, mainly affecting your rear brakes...
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09-15-2015, 08:31 AM
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Many brake pads come with the replacement metal slide inserts to allow brake pads to move easily in and out. I've never gone so far as grinding but I will put a dab of silicone grease on the pad end connectors, to allow that freedom to slide.
It think the sticking pad issue is more of a cold weather, salty road condition that is just plain tough on brakes. Here in the warm southwest, we don't have nearly those issues.
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09-15-2015, 10:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by r2millers
Many brake pads come with the replacement metal slide inserts to allow brake pads to move easily in and out. I've never gone so far as grinding but I will put a dab of silicone grease on the pad end connectors, to allow that freedom to slide.
It think the sticking pad issue is more of a cold weather, salty road condition that is just plain tough on brakes. Here in the warm southwest, we don't have nearly those issues.
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Bob
I have a Taurus, and a GMC 2500...I have had to grind the pads so they could move on the pad mount, even after replacing all the slide inserts...
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09-15-2015, 04:28 PM
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Bob
I have a Taurus, and a GMC 2500...I have had to grind the pads so they could move on the pad mount, even after replacing all the slide inserts...
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What pad mfg are you using. After many pad changes on quite a few vehicles, I've never had to modify a pad to make it fit.
Not sure how the mfg doesn't get it right. Too critical here.
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09-15-2015, 04:42 PM
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All most sounds like the pistons were not fully in
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09-15-2015, 07:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by r2millers
What pad mfg are you using. After many pad changes on quite a few vehicles, I've never had to modify a pad to make it fit.
Not sure how the mfg doesn't get it right. Too critical here.
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Bob
Using Warner brake pads...Have had to modify pad for my daughter's KIA also...
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09-16-2015, 11:05 AM
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Nothing wrong with your caliper assembly's? Maybe pitted from the salty roads?
Do you loosen the bleed screw when pulling the piston back to original position?
You've really got me thinking here!
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09-16-2015, 02:33 PM
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Tommy can you come up and change my rotors and pads?????
Just kidding.
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09-16-2015, 03:08 PM
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Bob
Let me assure you I have totally disassembled these brakes and cleaned everything, but when I installed the pad in the mount I had to hit it with a hammer to get it back out...I have always used Warner brake pads and shoes, because I have found them to be higher quality...With that being said here is my diagnosis...For whatever reason the manufacturing process is making the metal plates that the pad is attached to oversize therefor it is too tight when inserted in the mount...I have informed my parts guy that I have had to modify these pads lately, and I am sure he will kick it up the food chain...That is my story and I'm sticken to it...
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09-16-2015, 06:00 PM
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You'll have to get an appointment... Right now I am doing the brakes on the 5er...
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