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Old 04-18-2018, 12:01 PM   #1
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I just upgraded to a 2018 F250 from my old workhorse '06 F350 dually now that I have a smaller 5th wheel. I added a Reese adapter for the modern Ford underbed 5th wheel attachment so I could retain my Trailer Saver hitch. Between the height of the new truck bed (and sides) and the inch or two from the Reese adapter, I was terrified that the 5th wheel would be terribly out of level and hoped there would be enough adjustment to fix it.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that, once hooked up, the unit is only 1/3rd of a bubble off level. (head high, about a half inch in two feet off level).

Is this close enough to run the refrigerator when parked hooked to the truck? I have heard that being half a bubble off is OK since modern RV refrigerators are more tolerant than the old ones but don't know if it is true. Also, if you are part of a bubble off side to side as well, is it cumulative?

My hitch is adjustable in what looks to be 1 to 1 1/2" increments so if I dropped it one set of holes, it appears I would be nose down. It would be awfully nice to just leave it alone but I don't want to ruin my refrigerator or AC. What do you think?
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Carry 4- 2 x 6's about 18" long and drive the 5th up on them to make level.
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I just upgraded to a 2018 F250 from my old workhorse '06 F350 dually now that I have a smaller 5th wheel. I added a Reese adapter for the modern Ford underbed 5th wheel attachment so I could retain my Trailer Saver hitch. Between the height of the new truck bed (and sides) and the inch or two from the Reese adapter, I was terrified that the 5th wheel would be terribly out of level and hoped there would be enough adjustment to fix it.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that, once hooked up, the unit is only 1/3rd of a bubble off level. (head high, about a half inch in two feet off level).

Is this close enough to run the refrigerator when parked hooked to the truck? I have heard that being half a bubble off is OK since modern RV refrigerators are more tolerant than the old ones but don't know if it is true. Also, if you are part of a bubble off side to side as well, is it cumulative?

My hitch is adjustable in what looks to be 1 to 1 1/2" increments so if I dropped it one set of holes, it appears I would be nose down. It would be awfully nice to just leave it alone but I don't want to ruin my refrigerator or AC. What do you think?
Do you have an adjustment on the pin box also that may get you closer to level?
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:27 AM   #4
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I like to run my rig as close to level as I can get it. (front to back)
If you have adjustment on the hitch and/or the kingpin that would help to accomplish that, it might be well worth it to spend the time to get it right.
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Old 04-19-2018, 07:17 AM   #5
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never crossed my dropping neced to mess with t me close the tailhe pin box

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Carry 4- 2 x 6's about 18" long and drive the 5th up on them to make level.
That's an elegant and brilliant solution that never crossed my mind. Duh!!!

I probably will make some adjustments but am still interested in knowing "how level is level enough."

My real concern is that after all the hassle of dropping an 80 pound hitch head down one bolt hole, I'll then be too low in the front. I don't think I need to mess with the pin box, which seems like a nightmare waiting to happen, although it would let me close the tailgate a little sooner and let me turn a little wider without the pin box hitting the bed rails.
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One more thing to remember is as you lower the nose of the trailer to level it be sure to check the clearance between the top of the bed and the bottom of the trailer.
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One more thing to remember is as you lower the nose of the trailer to level it be sure to check the clearance between the top of the bed and the bottom of the trailer.
Very true and one of my original concerns. Fortunately I currently have 8" between the bed rails and the trailer underside so I have a little wiggle room.
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I probably will make some adjustments but am still interested in knowing "how level is level enough."

My real concern is that after all the hassle of dropping an 80 pound hitch head down one bolt hole, I'll then be too low in the front. I don't think I need to mess with the pin box, which seems like a nightmare waiting to happen, although it would let me close the tailgate a little sooner and let me turn a little wider without the pin box hitting the bed rails.

Level enough for me is as level as I can get it front to back when hooked up and sitting on level ground. Also in my opinion, the place to measure for that is off the bottom of the frame. In the very front, and the very rear. Measure from the bottom of the frame to the ground.
Mine is within 1/2 in.

There is different ways to get the issue of the 80# hitch head taken care of. If you feel it's more weight then you care to handle, is it a possibility to have someone help you with it?
If not, then you might consider letting a tech do the work and just figure it's part of the cost of owning a 5th wheel.
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I was pleasantly surprised to find that, once hooked up, the unit is only 1/3rd of a bubble off level. (head high, about a half inch in two feet off level).

I don't have a fifth wheel, but I do know that if you are saying you are half an inch out in a 2' level and you were to take the distance from your King pin back to the axles of the trailer as your fulcrum (maybe 20'?) that is essentially ten of the 2' levels. So you are more like 4-5" out of level at the front. Sounds like you need to drop the front down a couple holes to me.
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One more quick thought. You could always measure from the ground to the underside of the trailer at the hitch while it's hooked up to your truck. Then unhook from the truck and adjust the landing gear until its level (or a little nose high to account for squat once hooked up on your suspension) and re measure up at the front and see what the difference is. That would tell you how much you would need to drop the hitch without messing with the hitch itself.
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