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Old 08-27-2014, 08:58 AM   #1
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I have read a few threads now about guys pulling different trailers with their Ram 1500s. Mine is a 2012 outdoorsman QC 4x4. My payload is 1015lbs. with gear and people that leaves me about 590 lbs for hitch and tongue weight. When i bought the truck we didn't have plans to upgrade but now have a little one on the way and are looking for something that can be set up by one person and has a little more storage and were thinking bunks. My question is to the other Ram 1500 owners. What is your rated payload? What are you towing? Are you over your payload? By how much? These trucks seem so limited, I have found only 1 trailer that comes close, everything else is settling due to weight. Buying a new truck and trailer won't happen now because we are going to one income. And there is no need for a new truck if we can't buy both. I have been towing a long time, have done my homework and can get to that rating no problem. have air bags, can set WD hitches, just wonder how everyone else is actually doing it when i find it so restricted. Also curious if anyone knows the weak point in these trucks that makes it so low.
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The coil spring rear suspension offers a great ride but is limited in load carrying capacity.
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Maybe they don't do it with the 1500's ?

You are right to be concerned about an overload...
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Old 08-27-2014, 10:46 AM   #4
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In most cases, GVWR is less than the total of the GAWRs. Don't know how much different they are for your truck. I would get the actual, loaded truck weighed by axle and compare those numbers to the GAWRs. The combined difference would be your absolute top end payload if you can get the WD set up perfect. See how much better that is compared to the payload based on GVWR only.

Front GAWR could be limited by just about any component in the suspension. Rear GAWR is frequently limited by tire capacity before anything else. That is why a DRW can carry so much more weight even when frame and axle are no different than a SRW.

FYI, most older diesel 3/4 ton trucks have the same issue, too little payload compared to their towing capacity and there are many setups that exceed the truck's GVWR but not the individual GAWRs.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:38 AM   #5
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My GVWR is 6700 lbs and my GAWR are both 3900. my truck loaded for camping is 3420 front 2660 rear total of 6080. that leaves 480 front and 1240 rear to hit the axel rating. but only 620 to hit the GVWR. because of the location of the tank, once you add water to almost any unit... its over, and i have about 250 lbs to go into the front storage and 150 lbs propane and battery as well. because of this although our choices are the ST270bh, ST300bh, or the ST28bh we would be over even with the 270 I think, because of which we are having to look at other brands with the water tanks all in the rear of the axels. but wifey was wondering how everyone else is pulling with our truck when we can't. I told her its because they either don't know or don't care i guess.
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My GVWR is 6700 lbs and my GAWR are both 3900. my truck loaded for camping is 3420 front 2660 rear total of 6080. that leaves 480 front and 1240 rear to hit the axel rating. but only 620 to hit the GVWR. because of the location of the tank, once you add water to almost any unit... its over, and i have about 250 lbs to go into the front storage and 150 lbs propane and battery as well. because of this although our choices are the ST270bh, ST300bh, or the ST28bh we would be over even with the 270 I think, because of which we are having to look at other brands with the water tanks all in the rear of the axels. but wifey was wondering how everyone else is pulling with our truck when we can't. I told her its because they either don't know or don't care i guess.
So, you have 1720 lbs available, best case before exceeding the GAWRs. Quite a difference. All trailers need a minimum hitch weight for safe towing and your truck needs to be able to handle that weight. Having the water tank behind the axle can create a different problem, i.e. not being able to travel with a full tank because it results in too little hitch weight. In my opinion, it is better to exceed GVWR (but under GAWRs) and have a stable trailer than be under the GVWR and have an unstable trailer.
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Thanks for your input Larry, much appreciated.
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Are you sure the payload is 1015?? From the Dodge website the range is 1406 to 1491 depending on your axle ration. The chart could be wrong, but I got it off the Dodge website.


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Old 08-27-2014, 12:57 PM   #9
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Ya, I found that sheet as well, I forgot to mention I have the rambox as well which lowers it. it would seem according to the load specs from Ram I should have 1286 but my door sticker says otherwise. I guess it is what it is I just wondered I I am missing something in the math because I read other guys being able to pull them and mostly wondered what's different from my setup to theirs.
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The 1500 or half ton trucks usually get close to 5 mpg more then the 2500 or 3/4 ton gas brothers. This difference is because of the lighter running gear and suspension. I personally have never purchased a 1500 because I tend to carry a bunch cargo from time to time. I have attempted to tow with light suv's and they just can't handle any tongue weight. On my Hummer H3 I towed a small pop up well within its rating and it could not handle any tongue weight safely. It even had leaf springs so I had an extra leaf added.

But in the case of these 1500's I would recommend going bigger.
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