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Old 02-01-2018, 03:54 PM   #21
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I’m sorry. I have to apologize. I guess I’m totally missing your point.
First you tell us the maintenance theory on a diesel doesn't hold water. Then you tell us you are glad you chose the diesel even with the high maintenance cost.???
I know, and I’m sure everyone else does, that you are not trying to talk the OP into buying a diesel.
As far as you hollering foul about the longevity of the V6 or the V8 gas engine when towing. I don’t think that was even mentioned before you brought it up.
I will say tho, if you only put 300k on two diesel trucks and only half of that mileage was towing, that’s not to impressive. Many OTR rigs actually rack up many hundreds of thousands of miles. Many go well over a million. I think any gas rig could manage 75k towing the appropriate sized trailer without needing to be replaced.
Also, it seems to me that most of the auto manufactures have gotten the rotten egg smell from the exhaust under control. I have not noticed to many lately. Most of that was in years gone by. My cousin had a new Chevy back in the 90’s that was absolutely horrible. I have recently noticed a couple of the foreign models that were pretty stout when they passed me. Maybe I just haven’t been out on the road enough to fully observe more.


I have been around diesel engines in tractors, stationary units, semi’s and pickups just about my whole adult life. Consequently I don’t get caught up so readily in the hype and romance of owning or anything related to diesel. They have there place, but right at this point in time, that isn’t in my garage.


Again, I apologize for my lack of ability to understand.
If you'll notice that "expensive maintenance" is now & was meant to be sarcastic!
If you don't want a diesel, don't buy one, as also stated I could care less!
But apparently my opinion on here doesn't count!
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Old 02-01-2018, 05:50 PM   #22
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I traded in my 2012 F250 gasser for a 2017 Diesel dually 2 months ago. My 40' 5r was 11200 dry. Add the 1000 to 1500 pounds of "stuff" loaded and I was always on the hairy edge. On long runs, I hated the engine whining in 2nd and 3rd gear on steep longer inclines. Also, whenever any water was loaded in it, you absolutely knew it.

I'm looking forward to pulling the trailer around with the new rig this year!
Your dry weight plus 1500 pounds would have had you over your tow rating not even counting water if you had 3.73s. The power band in a Ford 6.2 is 45k-55k I hardly ever get over 4k but that's probably from the 4.30s I have. I also haven't have the complaint of the loud whining.
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Old 02-01-2018, 05:59 PM   #23
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Lloyd,

I have meticulously tweaked my WD sway control setup. But I'm not talking about normal sway, I'm talking about 15mph direct crosswinds that gust to 25-30mph around me on summer days. It's not sway it's "push". And at those wind speeds, a 5,000lb truck vs 8,000 camper that is a huge sail requires me to slow down to 55 when the wind is that much to make it a more pleasant experience. a heavier truck like a 3/4 ton would allow for a more comfortable experience at a higher speed. That's all I'm sayin. I love this truck for the power and fuel efficiency, just on some days, when the wind is gusting, wish it was a little heavier if I'm on the expressway. Cheers! =)
The Hensley Arrow would be a lot cheaper then a new truck,and would make a huge difference. It's hard to explain how it works but it's a "floating hitch". When it's hooked up to the truck you can push on the side of the trailers nose and move the camper,the hitch pivots. The trailer will go straight no if ands or buts.
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If you'll notice that "expensive maintenance" is now & was meant to be sarcastic!
If you don't want a diesel, don't buy one, as also stated I could care less!
But apparently my opinion on here doesn't count!

Thanks tt!
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Old 02-01-2018, 08:48 PM   #25
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I had a 2500 Duramax which I replaced with my present ECO-Boost. This truck is every bit as heavy and big (if not bigger then my old Chevy. It handles my camper just as well.
The curb weight of a F-150 Lariat Supercrew 4X4 3.5L Ecoboost is 4,964 lbs. The curb weight of my Silverado 2500HD Duramax Crew cab is 7,294 lbs. By my calculations, that is 2,330 lbs., or 47% more.

I used to have a small TT that I pulled with Chevy TrailBlazer. I gave it to my son when I got my 5er, and he pulled it with an F-150. What I disliked most was the downshifting and high RPM going up hills, though it wasn't as bad with the inline 6 of the TrailBlazer as in my son's V8 F-150 because the TrailBlazer had more horsepower and torque. Riding in my son's F-150 revving 4000-5000 RPM was too much for me and him. He bought a F-250 diesel in 2016.
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The curb weight of a F-150 Lariat Supercrew 4X4 3.5L Ecoboost is 4,964 lbs. The curb weight of my Silverado 2500HD Duramax Crew cab is 7,294 lbs. By my calculations, that is 2,330 lbs., or 47% more.
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It took a little searching but I did find my scale slips for both trucks.

When I picked up the Eco Boost, I stop and had it weighed.
Hitch was in it, just about a full tank of gas, and I was not in the the cab.
6400#

I remembered the Duramax as being 6450# with 1/2 tank of fuel and the hitch. According to the weight slips I found that's not correct
Slip states--7200#

So I was in error when I stated it was as heavy as the old chevy. According to my calculations the Eco Boost is 800# lighter.
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So if the original poster is still here, he can tell there's definitely lots of opinions on tow vehicles. But this happens on every rv site I've looked at over the yrs, and I suppose all on here can at least agree with that statement. I had an Ecoboost, and thought it would be the tv we'd need. Then my wife found the 5er we now have, ( we compromised, right?)and I didn't think the Eco would handle the chores. The Duramax does an excellent job. Goes to show ya- things can always change...
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Old 02-03-2018, 05:23 AM   #28
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Thanks for all the replies!! I do know that I am going diesel and atleast a 3/4 ton truck, considering a =even a 1 ton too. We are looking at Ford, Chevy and Dodge. Their is plus and minus on all of them. We are starting the test drive phase in a couple of weeks. Thanks again!!!
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Thanks for all the replies!! I do know that I am going diesel and atleast a 3/4 ton truck, considering a =even a 1 ton too. We are looking at Ford, Chevy and Dodge. Their is plus and minus on all of them. We are starting the test drive phase in a couple of weeks. Thanks again!!!
Awesome! But a recommendation that most here would probably agree. If you are, or have any future desire to go to a 5'er, I would spend the extra grand 1/2 and get the F-350. Payload on a F-250 Diesel is going to be around 2,400 Lbs. Pin weights on alot of 5'ers will eat alot of that up. A gas F-250 lariat is right around 3,000 lbs.
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I think I will weigh in here now.
Tim, if you have the correct hitch and it's set up correctly, I can't imagine that you are feeling the wind shift you around to the point that it gives that white knuckle experience.
I have talked with numerous people who tow with either the Hensley, or Pro-Pride hitch, and they say they hardly know the camper is back there. I have known a couple of then personally.
If your f-150 Eco-Boost is set up like mine is, you should have more truck there then is required for your camper.
I had a 2500 Duramax which I replaced with my present ECO-Boost. This truck is every bit as heavy and big (if not bigger then my old Chevy. It handles my camper just as well.


Now, diesels do cost more to fix. It's a known fact.
They cost more to begin with when you purchase one. Several thousand dollars more. Even some of the most unscrupulous salesmen out there are usually willing to admit to that fact.


Oil changes cost more, fuel filters cost more, and if things haven't changed since I had mine, that fuel filter is very expensive in my view. Ask anybody who has had to change the injectors on their diesel how much it cost them.


Diesel fuel in our area is not 8 to 10 cents a gallon more. It's 40 cents per gallon more. You will have to drive that diesel a long time to ever break even over the extra it will cost you..
The new gas engines will run as long as most people will ever own their new truck. The oils they have out now days are so superior to what was on the markets years back. With proper maintenance, they will rival the longevity of most diesel pick ups.


Plus, I will add, they will do it without the noxious odor emitted by that diesel. I know I know, they will say the new diesel doesn't stink like that any more. My answer to that is—just get behind one when he is pulling his camper up a pretty good grade, or when he steps it to the floor to pass somebody.


Bottom line is—you are the one buying that new truck, get what you want!
Nobody will win this gas vs diesel thread. Buy which ever one you fancy. For me, it is an F-350 diesel. I started with an F-250 gasser so that my wife would not kill me for spending an extra $10K for the diesel. We travel through mountainous areas often and that is where the gasser does not cut it for us. After only one year, we traded that gasser in for an F-350 diesel. We haul a 32 ft fifth wheel with a loaded weight of nearly 13K lbs. Yeah I know, this trade was expensive. I should have bit the bullet from the start.

I do love this truck. After 3 years, my only issue has revolved around the emissions requirements for the diesel exhaust system. This issue sidelined me for a week while the dealer figured out what the problem was as it was sooo new. No recurrences or other issues to report since then.

For commercial users, an annual inspection costs some money but that is really not a bad idea for heavy equipment. I am commercial exempt so that inspection is optional. The truck has 2 fuel filters but otherwise is similar to gas for routine maintenance. I do my own work.

In my area (Central Ontario), diesel fuel is less expensive that gasoline to purchase. As my truck is only 3 years old and well built, I have not had to buy any expensive parts yet. I did mention that up front, my diesel cost me $10K more than a gas counterpart.

Back to you! It's your decision. I made my decision and am very happy with it.

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