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Old 05-24-2014, 04:41 PM   #1
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F250 6.7 Diesel and Washington

I was looking at buying the Rushmore Washington 5er.Dry weight is 12900.
Anyone see any issues with towing this with the f250 diesel crew cab its a 6.7 2011.
Just want some input I have a 2012 Cruiser sk30 now which it tows with no issues.Have to look back sometimes to make sure its there.
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Old 05-24-2014, 05:09 PM   #2
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There are several people on here who tow Rushmore's with F250 and F350 SRW trucks. Power isn't an issue, you may find some sag in the rear end unless you have air bags - also stiffens up the rear end to help with stability. In addition, I added the rear sway bar to my F350 because I like my truck to corner on rails. If you don't have the rear sway bar I can give you a list of all the part numbers required to do it - about $135 in parts to put on a stock rear sway bar (only trucks with 18" wheels had it).

At its fully loaded weight (GVWR), the Rushmore Washingoton is 15,500lbs. It is unlikely you will tow loaded right out with all tanks full, etc. You would probably see an average of 14,500 with your normal gear. The pin weight is 2,698lbs.

Here are the specs on your 2011 6.7L Diesel C/C
Max towing weight 14,400lbs for 4X4, 16,100lbs for 4X2. The F350 4X4 goes to 15,700lbs and keep in mind, the only real difference between the F250 and F350 is a taller rear block in the suspension.

Some people have swapped out the F250 rear block with the F350 block (2 inches higher) but then you usually need a leveling kit for the front - normally 2 1/2 inches in order to level out the truck. In reality, air bags are the best solve for the capacity issues on the rear end with the F250.

In short, you are within your limits and will have power to spare with the Rushmore as long as you don't overload the crap out of your 5er.
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Old 05-24-2014, 05:47 PM   #3
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Thanks I have air bags installed on it already.Just wasn t sure about the towing,
Dealer has agreed to let me hook up too the washington and take it for a burn down the highway to see how it handles.It has 20 inch tires,yes i would like that sway bar info.
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I'll get the information together and send you a private message.
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The listed pin weight is a dry weight, try 3100 lbs for a fully loaded trailer (20% of GVWR)

The problem with 5ers is not the towing capacity, it's the pin weight. Look on the door frame of your truck for payload. Subtract from that hitch and anything else in the bed.

That GCWR is generally considered top of the 350 SRW and bottom of the dually range.

Since you already have a 5er you need to weigh your current setup both with and without the trailer and figure how much payload you will have for the Washington.
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Pin weight is not an issue in an F250. You can match the F350 capacity with just air bags on the rear suspension. The only difference is a 4" block vs 2" block and an overload spring on the F350. That's it.

Keep in mind, I'll be the first person to mention if I feel you are unsafe with that setup because I see guys hauling 19,000lb units with SRW trucks and that scares the hell out of me. You can safely haul this unit with an F250 with a proper setup.
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Pin weight is not an issue in an F250. You can match the F350 capacity with just air bags on the rear suspension. The only difference is a 4" block vs 2" block and an overload spring on the F350. That's it.

Keep in mind, I'll be the first person to mention if I feel you are unsafe with that setup because I see guys hauling 19,000lb units with SRW trucks and that scares the hell out of me. You can safely haul this unit with an F250 with a proper setup.

Pin weight IS the issue. Adding airbags doesn't change the rated Payload, just levels the truck. And you stated the 350 had an overload spring, care to guess where it (350) got it's increased payload???
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Scott- I beg to differ. Not all F250's are created equal. I had an F250 that I just traded because it only had 1500 lbs of payload. This was verified by cat scale... the truck weighed 8500 lbs with 2 adults, 1 child, a 70 lb dog and a full tank of fuel (empty bed). It had a 10,000 lb gvwr and was only rated to tow max 5er at 15300 lbs.
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Scott- I beg to differ. Not all F250's are created equal. I had an F250 that I just traded because it only had 1500 lbs of payload. This was verified by cat scale... the truck weighed 8500 lbs with 2 adults, 1 child, a 70 lb dog and a full tank of fuel (empty bed). It had a 10,000 lb gvwr and was only rated to tow max 5er at 15300 lbs.
The game changed in 2011. The payload capacities are still lower for the F250 vs. 350, but we aren't talking about a 4,000 lb pin weight here.
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Yes I am aware different years have different pAyloads but you are blanket stating across this website any f250 can pull these heavier 5ers and that is not necessarily true. Each truck needs to be looked at individually with options and passengers etc to see where they really are at on capacity.
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Yes I am aware different years have different pAyloads but you are blanket stating across this website any f250 can pull these heavier 5ers and that is not necessarily true. Each truck needs to be looked at individually with options and passengers etc to see where they really are at on capacity.
Don't put words in my mouth. I am speaking to the original poster with his specific truck and trailer configuration. What I am saying and have from the start is that his truck can safely tow the Washington. Is it perfect? No. But he will be a lot better equipped than the 50% I see on the road that are improperly setup to tow their trailers. I've seen Lincoln's towed by 2002 SRW F250s that don't have nearly enough braking power to stop their units, let alone sufficient power. The OP's configuration isn't perfect but it will do the job safely and I don't think he needs to spend $50,000 on a new truck.
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I'm more referring in general you responded to another post today that said nothing about year and told them they would be fine too. I'm not saying they won't, I'm just saying more info is needed to answer the questions.
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Truck-trailer topics are always interesting,when I was looking for my f250 we found what I was looking for on another dealer lot. Unknown to me at the time it had the camper option on it which included the sway bar and overload springs.Less the a $400. option and well worth it.
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Pin weight IS the issue. Adding airbags doesn't change the rated Payload, just levels the truck. And you stated the 350 had an overload spring, care to guess where it (350) got it's increased payload???
I have an F250 with the camper pkg. (comes with overload spring and sway bar) yet has a payload rating of 2,600#...so where did the 350 get it's increased payload?
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ok had a look 10000 lbs gvwr.
front 5600
back 6100
would that not give the gvwr 11700 ?
its a 2011 6.7 diesel ,20 inch tires 3.55 gears.
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Forgive me if my question sounds stupid to some of you. Maybe it will help clear up some misconceptions.

I have been wondering what would be the difference between having a truck with an overload spring on it right from the factory, or installing it yourself after you purchased it? Also what would be the difference between having that overload spring verses putting on a set of air bags?
Wouldn't this all be accomplishing the same thing?
Seems like the 250 and the 350 are basically the same truck but with a few factory add on to change the carrying capacity.

A good example to all of this would be the camper special package.
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I'm more referring in general you responded to another post today that said nothing about year and told them they would be fine too. I'm not saying they won't, I'm just saying more info is needed to answer the questions.
I know what thread you refer and I know the trailer model he is pulling and that he is looking for a new truck due to other posts he has made so I am aware of the year of vehicle is a 2011 and up. Again, don't assume.
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I know what thread you refer and I know the trailer model he is pulling and that he is looking for a new truck due to other posts he has made so I am aware of the year of vehicle is a 2011 and up. Again, don't assume.
You too are assuming as he could be looking at older model used trucks as well, never was stated. I asked for more info.
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Forgive me if my question sounds stupid to some of you. Maybe it will help clear up some misconceptions.

I have been wondering what would be the difference between having a truck with an overload spring on it right from the factory, or installing it yourself after you purchased it? Also what would be the difference between having that overload spring verses putting on a set of air bags?
Wouldn't this all be accomplishing the same thing?
Seems like the 250 and the 350 are basically the same truck but with a few factory add on to change the carrying capacity.

A good example to all of this would be the camper special package.
I thought about a spring as well. Downside is it will affect ride quality both towing and empty. I installed air bags and you can inflate deflate as needed. Love em.
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Well to it for a boot down the highway. put 25 lbs in the air bags and it towed it no differently than my 30sk.1500 rpm at 120 kilometers and hour.
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