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Old 09-04-2017, 10:04 PM   #1
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Do I need more truck

So we purchased a 2014 Sunset Trail Reserve 32RL in June. Towed it a few times with my 2003 Toyota Tundra SR5 Xtra Cab 4.7L V8. I had to put Sumo Springs on it (basically airless air bags) and for good measure, I installed a Hellwig rear anti sway bar. It tows fine on the flat lands. It handles ok but the DW just gave me the green light to start looking for a new TV. I'm thinking about just diving right into a 3/4 ton but want to first find out what other fellow Crossroads owners who tow with a 1/2 ton and this unit feel about their 1/2 tons. I'll spring for the 3/4 but really would like to stick with a 1/2 ton if I can. Thanks!
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Well this is the towing specs on the 2017 Chevrolet 1500. Depending on your weight and where you tow; mountains etc. TOWING
Available Max Trailering Package offers up to 12,500 lbs. of class-leading towing capability†
Integrated Brake Controller
Tow/Haul Mode
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Old 09-05-2017, 07:43 AM   #3
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I have the 29SS and I towed with a 1/2 ton Suburban 5.3 V8 when I first got the trailer. Sticker inside a cabinet said that with options etc. I was at 62xx (can't remember exact). Had 5 younger kids plus gear + 45lb dog in trunk etc. On the interstate the TV did OK, but uphill gradients took their toll! On the back roads between the major highways and the campground is where I sometimes struggled. I remember this one valley where you were driving through it (parallel) on one side, then a 90 turn over an old iron bridge and then a 90 turn and uphill on the other side of the valley. That uphill was long and very very slow for us. I think I crawled up it at 20mph the whole way, wondering about making it!!

After that trip I started my search for 3/4 Suburban options. When I found a gently used local one that had about 50k miles on it for $15k I took the deal. It was a fully optioned SLE Yukon XL with Nav + Quadrasteer. Yes I only get 13mpg when not towing vs the 18 with the 1/2. But I get 12.7 when towing vs 9 with the 1/2 so an actual improvement! I also have never had any issues with any grades. I can accelerate up anything I've driven on while towing.

The 1/2 said it was good for 7400, so I had about 1200 left for people + gear etc. but then I'm maxed out. The 3/4 with QS is good for 9600 so I've got plenty of room and the RV will max out before the TV does which means I've spare capacity - which is a good thing in my book as I don't like running at max!! It also means I can add extras like the kayaks to the roof of the TV.

You have more capacity with the newer rigs though, so the 1/2 may work for you. And you're looking at a truck whereas I needed 3 rows of seating + dog crate sized storage behind 3rd row! BTW, here's the link from Chevy if you haven't already seen it.

http://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam...wing-guide.pdf
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Old 09-05-2017, 10:27 AM   #4
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You are the only one who can determine how well your existing truck will handle your camper...I would suggest that the critical consideration is not how much power you have to tow it, but do you have enough truck to STOP it...Too many new campers think more about pulling while not thinking enough about stopping...IMHO
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Tommy, you are partially correct, but, If you compare the specs of the brakes, axles, frame to the latest models, and I only researched the Ford line, the specs of the new models are equal to or exceed the 2011 Ford F350. Let alone the new 2018, would really exceed the specs of the older F350.

Here are the specs for the 2018 F150 SCREW.

2018 Ford® F-150 XLT Truck | Model Highlights | Ford.com

3.5L EcoBoost® V6 towing capacity 3.55 rear 13,000 lbs.



3.5L EcoBoost® V6 payload capacity 2620

2,620 lbs.† Requires Heavy Duty Payload Package with 18" wheels __________________
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I agree Tommy, but it isn't just stopping. It's also descending steep grades. I want a truck heavy enough that I don't have to ride my brakes to keep the trailer from trying to control the truck.
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Old 09-05-2017, 07:27 PM   #7
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Kemp, physics does not support your statement. If the tow vehicle is heavier, it will have an impact on braking and actually extend the braking distance.

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A car traveling at a specific velocity will have a certain amount of kinetic energy (energy of motion). As you increase the mass of the vehicle, you increase its energy of motion. Brakes convert kinetic energy into thermal energy through sliding friction. Also, Newton’s 2nd Law states that Force = Mass X Acceleration. With a given braking force, if you increase the mass the deceleration will have an inverse relationship.
That’s why race cars have all unessential elements removed- door cards, radios, carpet, headliner…everything. If you are comparing some heavier models that stop in less distance than a lighter car, this is because the car is engineered to do so. There are regular brakes, and then there are high performance brakes. Braking systems are not all created equally. The reasons a heavier car may brake faster than a lighter one are a) it has larger diameter brake rotors than the competing car, and b) it has larger brake pads and therefore braking surface against the rotors, and c) it has the ability to dissipate brake heat better.
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Kemp, physics does not support your statement. If the tow vehicle is heavier, it will have an impact on braking and actually extend the braking distance.
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I want a truck heavy enough that I don't have to ride my brakes to keep the trailer from trying to control the truck.
I said I want a truck that's heavy enough with enough engine that I DON'T have to use the brakes when descending steep grades.
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Our HD 2500 Chevy has a manual shift mode that helps prevent brake over use on the down hills.
I wouldn't want to tow with out that.
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I understand Kemp, but that would put me in the diesel bracket, and I use my truck as a daily driver, (only a few miles a day) and I'm sure that's not good for a diesel.
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