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Old 04-05-2014, 10:14 AM   #1
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What works without the battery?

Hi all,
A bit of a newbie question...
I just picked up our trailer out of storage that we got at the end of the season last fall and I was wondering why I cannot run anything electrical while I'm on shore power, but without the battery connected?
Perhaps this is normal however it seems odd to me.
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Old 04-05-2014, 10:27 AM   #2
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My first response was the toilet - assuming you are hooked up to site water.

But after reading, you should have your battery connected and be hooked up to shore power and everything will work. Other than that, the smoke detector should work if your 9v battery isn't dead!! On some units the battery must be in place and connected for everything to work even though shore power somewhat bypasses it. Has to do with the converter setup the newer units use. Your plug ins should work without the battery connected but I may be wrong on that.

Somebody with more info will be along shortly.
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Old 04-05-2014, 10:55 AM   #3
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Unless things have changed since '11, everything should work with shore power alone, but only provided all fuses/breakers are ok and the converter is working ok. If the converter is bad or the breaker supplying 120 VAC to it has tripped, then lights and almost all appliances will not work as they require 12 VDC for their control boards and/or ignitors.

While I don't think it is a good idea to run the converter w/o a load, i.e. the battery, I will do exactly that for a few min. at a time. Like when checking battery fluid level, I will use the battery disconnect switch to isolate the battery.
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Old 04-05-2014, 03:38 PM   #4
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Ok so thanks for the replies. Once I hooked up a battery I was fine with the exception of my fireplace and radio/DVD. Not sure what gives. I plugged the fireplace in with an extension cord and it worked. None of the breakers are tripped, it just seems to be that plug.
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Ok so thanks for the replies. Once I hooked up a battery I was fine with the exception of my fireplace and radio/DVD. Not sure what gives. I plugged the fireplace in with an extension cord and it worked. None of the breakers are tripped, it just seems to be that plug.
Also, you need to check all of the GFI outlets. If they are tripped, then that outlet will be dead plus any other outlets that are downstream from it. On my unit, the GFI outlet in the kitchen also controls five other outlets in the living room. The fireplace should be 120 VAC only, but I'm not sure. Check to see if it is plugged into a GFI outlet. The radio/DVD should be 12 VDC only and it will likely have an inline fuse just behind it, could also have a loose connection.
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That plug may be on one if the GFCI lines in the kitchen area but they run a fair bit on one circuit in these so check all of your GFCI plugs and reset them. Might be the cause. If not, kill all the power and check the wiring to the plug itself. May have come loose. In addition if your fireplace is in the slide you may need to check the wires underneath that connect from the main fuse panel there was a case here where the connections in that box were loose.
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Also, you need to check all of the GFI outlets. If they are tripped, then that outlet will be dead plus any other outlets that are downstream from it. On my unit, the GFI outlet in the kitchen also controls five other outlets in the living room. The fireplace should be 120 VAC only, but I'm not sure. Check to see if it is plugged into a GFI outlet. The radio/DVD should be 12 VDC only and it will likely have an inline fuse just behind it, could also have a loose connection.
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Also, you need to check all of the GFI outlets. If they are tripped, then that outlet will be dead plus any other outlets that are downstream from it. On my unit, the GFI outlet in the kitchen also controls five other outlets in the living room. The fireplace should be 120 VAC only, but I'm not sure. Check to see if it is plugged into a GFI outlet. The radio/DVD should be 12 VDC only and it will likely have an inline fuse just behind it, could also have a loose connection.
The GFI wasn't tripped. I checked just about every outlet in the trailer and they were all good but the fireplace outlet. I'll look into the fuse for the radio. Acknowledging that the fireplace and the radio should be on different circuits, but it's quite a coincidence that they are next to each other I the trailer.
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Since the fireplace is 120VAC and the radio is 12VDC it kinda goes without saying they HAVE to be on different circuits.
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did you check the toggle switch on your control panel? It has to be on fireplace and not hot water heater. It is designed so only one will get 120v power at a time as to not overload the circuit.
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