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Old 04-07-2014, 09:28 AM   #1
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Help - new truck considerations!

I'm buying a new truck. I've found a 2009 Chevy 3500 HD diesel LTZ loaded diesel with an 8 ft bed. Not a dually. Now sit down 6,800 miles. Original miles never been used. For $43,000

What mileage should I expect?
I've been told 2011 and newer get better mpg
I don't know what to do and I don't want the dealer to sell it out from under me.


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Old 04-07-2014, 09:49 AM   #2
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I can't say for sure on the D-Max because I have the Ford Powerstroke. However, I have a good friend at work who has a 2006 D-Max and he gets about the same as I do: about 16.5 to 18 unloaded depending on terrain and speed. As for mine, I get 9.5 to 10.5 pulling a fifth wheel, again depending on terrain. Don't know if the D-Max is better or not.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:20 PM   #3
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With your size of trailer you will still have better towing mileage with the diesel. Although not as good as some friends who have the newer ones you should average 12 or better towing your current travel trailer. Problem is, once you realize it tows like it isn't there - here comes the bigger trailer!!

Based on the year (2009) and not on the low miles you may be able to get that truck under $40k. It's already 6 years old since the 2015s are being ordered now.

Nice find!!
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:17 PM   #4
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I'm still working with the dealer on the price I'm pulling the trigger on Wednesday. I've never owned a diesel but many of my friends do and they all tell me to get a programmer for it. I'm going to start looking at those now. I'm getting 10 mpg empty with my 1500 HD now so I know this truck will do better.
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:47 PM   #5
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If that truck still has any warranty, wait until the warranty is out to get the programmers it will void it. We went with an extended warranty on our old F250 w/ the 6.4. It was our first diesel, we did not regret the extended warranty for all the issues it had. To be fair, I have been told an EGR delete would have solved a lot of my issues but I didn't want to shell that kind of money into a problematic truck that couldn't handle my next tt anyway.
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:48 AM   #6
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A programmer on todays diesel's is pretty much a waste of money, Unless you are just into mods
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:04 AM   #7
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Bert I have a question for you with your current set up as mine is pretty close to yours. I just upgraded to a travel trailer this past fall and I have not taken my trailer to far from the house yet. How did your truck handle the weight of your trailer as far has power and how fast do you tow on the highways. Last have you had any transmission issues. I had a pretty large Lance camper previously on my truck and for 2005 I only have 44,000 miles so if I do not need to upgrade I don't plan to. So far towing it the short distances 40 miles or so from home it seams just fine, but I have not been on any major highways yet. I do have the weight distribution hitch and 2 sway bars and air bags from when I had the camper so as far as the tongue weight I am good to go. Just wanted to here your thought about the towing power before my longer trips I have planned this year.
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:08 AM   #8
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A programmer on todays diesel's is pretty much a waste of money, Unless you are just into mods
In my opinion, Frank hit it right on the head.
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:14 AM   #9
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A programmer on todays diesel's is pretty much a waste of money, Unless you are just into mods
If you are under your bumper to bumper warranty period, I agree. But, if you wish to reduce many issues on some of the new diesels, a programmer is the only option (assuming you don't live in a state with emissions testing). It's not about the horsepower and torque, although I like my 550HP and 925 ft/lb of torque that my truck puts out not to mention the 20 mpg empty that I average in an 8,300lb truck, its about reliability through deleting the DPF and EGR cooler, ability to read codes on the fly and efficiently monitor on an accurate basis my transmission and oil temperatures. And no DEF!! The most common thing to shut a truck down in the new diesels are EGT sensors, NOX sensors, EGR valves, etc..

If you plan on leaving your truck stock, a programmer may save you a minor amount of fuel cost but is not worth the money. If you intend to actually improve your diesel by reducing some of the additional equipment that our governments have legislated and making them more reliable, it's the only option. My last issue just outside of warranty was a NOX sensor before I deleted. I've tuned, deleted and put on 45,000 miles since then and not even had a hiccup with my diesel.

That being said, the original poster is looking at a 2009 truck which is pre-DPF/DEF and has a good track record, so unless he finds it underpowered, which I know he will not given what he is going to be towing, he will not need to go to the degree of modifications that I've listed above. One thing he may choose a tuner for is accurate monitoring of transmission and oil temps and boost which come in handy when towing in the mountains.

I do all my own truck work, so here I know that many will choose to disagree. However, for those that are going to ask the questions, diesel trucks are one of my hobbies.
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:45 AM   #10
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I had a 03 Duramax. I towed a bigger 5th wheel then most any member here when it was new. That included flat land and mountains. I was amazed at the power that thing had. Then I heard about the Bully Dog. I spent $550.00 and put one on. My mileage went up big time. Until they start screwing around with our fuel. Plus I had more power then I knew what to do with. Did I ever need all that power when towing?? No. Did I like that power? Yes!! Especially at the stop lights.
If you don't think you have enough power with these newer diesels, then maybe you have more trailer behind you then you should for that truck.
Very seldom do you ever hear of a stock truck having problems. Oh sure you do hear about them, just like you hear from the few here on the forum that are having problems with their RV.

I would say first and foremost, ask yourself this question---- do I "need" all that extra power, or do I just "want " all that extra power.
You might be surprised what your answer will be if you are honest with yourself.

One more thing---I don't believe you will ever pay for that programer with the fuel you might save.
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